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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:45:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:People need to get it through their heads that EVE is both, not one or the other. The mere fact that thousand of people engage in both is proof enough. If EVE were just pvp, I wouldn't be mining and ratting right now.
The mining and ratting you are doing is economic pvp.
The OP is a standard "hurt feelings" post you see from people who feel unappreciated or looked down on. There are many in the PVE community with this kind of inferiority complex going on. They go into so much denial about EVE being a pvp game that they can't tell up from down now.
You can see how eve is a pvp game by looking at other games. In other games it doesn't matter how many npcs you kill or how much gold you get etc because the aquisition or loss of things doesn't affect anyone but you. In EVe and games like it, everything you do is in competition with others people in some way or another.
Ever npc you or I kill in null sec gives us isk, and our gaining that isk lowers the value of EVERY single other isk in EVE. The rocks you mine lower the value of all the other rocks everyone else hasi minded or will mine. Every Gist or Pith or Corpus mod i pull out of a plex lowers the value of the deadspace stuff people are selling in empire.
PVE is a mechanism that enables EVE. PVP is the CORE of EVE. |
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Posted - 2014.01.03 20:15:00 -
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Logical 101 wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Ehhh, what's 'real' piracy? I define it as PVP with purely profit in mind. Camping the known route of a mark, cloaking up inside a DED or exploration site, or more plainly shoot everything on an undock in lowsec. "Real" piracy requires creativity and honor. A lot of people call themselves pirates, but there have only ever been a certain number of them who actually are legitimate pirates. If you can't efficiently catch and ransom people (and uphold your end of the bargain when the ransom is paid), you're not a pirate; you're a **** with guns just like every other **** with guns in this game. Pirates stick to certain codes of conduct. Stray too much, and you're just a camper, ganker or straight-up PvPer.
To that I say: Captain Barbossa wrote:First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate's code to apply and you're not. And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner .
For some reason I always just wanted an excuse to post that. |
Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:46:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:This one wants to raise the bar to entry for ganking so that fewer PvE players have to deal with un-fun activities in a GAME they play. \
Better known as the "its a GAME" fallacy. In single player game all that is important is that the gamer is having fun. In a MULTIPLAYER game it's important that at least 1 person is having fun. You are either the victor (the guy having fun) or the victim (the guy providing the fun to the other guy) lol.
I'm sure the street walkers in Grand Theft Auto want pimp hands to be nerfed to. Sorry, no, you Hoe around in GTA, you get slapped. So don't be no Hoe, hommie.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:50:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I know plenty of miners who are very MUCH enjoying out thinking the Ganker squads, so dont start with the "Oh they stop me playing my game" This one doesn't want to out-think them. He wants to change the rules so he doesn't have to think.
You don't jsut get a like, you get a "/thread" tag too, because that's the end of the thread lol.
I will never ever understand that mentality. Why are they playing a game if they don't want to play a game. I wouldn't be playing EVE if I didn't enjoy overcoming resistance, which is what i do when i PVE, even in high sec by finding a way to make my Machariels and Nightmares unattractive to gankers while still being viable for isk making.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:58:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I will never ever understand that mentality. Why are they playing a game if they don't want to play a game. I wouldn't be playing EVE if I didn't enjoy overcoming resistance, which is what i do when i PVE, even in high sec by finding a way to make my Machariels and Nightmares unattractive to gankers while still being viable for isk making.
So you reject the fact that there are two playstyles in Eve? You consider mining to be a pvp activity? NPC mission running? /shrug Nowhere to go with that one....
EVERYTHING in EVE is a pvp activity. As a PVE player, I succeed because i understand this. Apparently you don't, which sounds like a personal problem to me.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:03:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:
tl;dr: gtfo
I enjoy the game too, just not the part that puts me at risk of sociopathic aggression. And i will gtfo, when my tolerance for people who enjoy causing others grief is used up. It's a sad day when people of the type who, when they were children, would have taken a magnifying glass to ants, are applauded for their embrace of the rules of the game and resistance against changes. The one thing I will praise you for is, as far as I have noticed, you haven't talked about enjoying ganking victim's tears. Reveling in ruining someone else's fun is truly pathetic.
What's pathetic is people who make bad personal choices, like the bad personal choice to play a game NOTORIOUS in the gaming world for being cold, harsh and dark then getting mad because it's players are cold, harsh and dark to them. Did you think you were playing hello kitti online? This is EVE, man up or man out.
It shows how twisted some people are, that they would have the nerve to present a snooty, superior air about themselves when in fact they are truly misfits.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:30:00 -
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ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
I get to PICK when to PvP.
Then why are you playing a game that has (as one of it's corner stones) NON-CONSENSUAL PVP?
This is what I was talking about when I said people like you make bad choices. Non-consensual pvp didn't just happen in EVE, it was a founding principle. If you don't like one of the core founding principles of EVE, why do you play EVE? |
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:07:00 -
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Chirjo Durruti wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
I get to PICK when to PvP.
Then why are you playing a game that has (as one of it's corner stones) NON-CONSENSUAL PVP? This is what I was talking about when I said people like you make bad choices. Non-consensual pvp didn't just happen in EVE, it was a founding principle. If you don't like one of the core founding principles of EVE, why do you play EVE? Easy: 1. it's a Science Fiction themed game 2. I can build/collect stuff in it 3. I can easily show this stuff to others. 4. despite it's army of sociopaths and paranoiacs, there are nice people in EvE and i like meeting them. I don't play EvE because it has non-consensual pvp (regardless of how much of a corner stone you think it is), I play it because it's a scifi themed sandbox MMO. When I do PvP, I do it because I have to in order to defend the stuff i built/collected.
And good for you. But you miss the point.
No one said pvp was all EVE has, I said "EVe has non-consensual pvp" meaning pvp can happen to you anywhere anytime unlike in other games where pvp can only happen is you allow it or in certain "zones" (or in certain servers).
If you don't like (or are at least able to accept) the concept of non-consensual pvp, EVE is an astoundingly bad choice of game. it would be like playing soccer iof you were allergic to both grass and the stuff soccer balls are made out of lol.
The people complaining about gankers are making a bad choice by playing EVE. They should be playing a game that only has consensual pvp (or no pvp at all) instead of coming here and complaining about something is vital to the game (non-consensual pvp).
Then again it's probably dumb to expect the same people who have a hard time taking responsibility for their real lives to take responsibility for their gameplay choices lol. Not directed at you Chirjo, I'm saying 'in general'. |
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